Ayo I’m in the screenshot letsa fucking GOOOOOOOOOO-
For context, Bungiefan_ak has no fewer than 4 alts that I’ve seen (all on different instances with the same username) and has spent his time on [email protected] continuously spamming heavily transphobic, homophobic, and objectifying sexist “memes”. Just about every one of his alts is now banned but I’m sure more will pop up.
Now, why the fuck he cares so much about pirates at this point, I haven’t a clue…
Maybe he just likes to argue with people. I have 1 such classmate. His “opinions” are always just opposite to who he’s talking with. But apparently outside of school he’s normal.
It’s easy to be a contrarian when opinions are not something you actually hold, but simply hats to be swapped out or discarded as necessary.
Kid’s probably on the debate team, they live to argue. Good luck figuring out their real opinions though, they might not even have any.
Sadly this is just how many people operate, though I imagine the emphasis on L-D debate and convincing judges certainly contributes to our culture of engaging that way.
I love arguing with people, I’ll even argue points I don’t necessarily believe, but that’s not the same as trolling. The difference is doing it in good faith
Trolls aren’t trying to convince anyone or engage in debate, they’re in it to russle jimmies, own the libs, or whatever. There’s not really an intellectual aspect to it, it’s arguing on emotion
- /u/[email protected] (modlog, banned)
- /u/[email protected] (modlog)
- /u/[email protected] (modlog, banned)
- /u/[email protected] (modlog, banned)
- /u/[email protected] (modlog, banned)
- /u/[email protected] (modlog, banned)
- /u/[email protected] (modlog, banned)
There’s likely more
Doing the lord’s work. What a shitfest of a modlog, real winner this guy is
Edit: dear God he keeps MAKING MORE. This dude seriously needs to get a life or something
I’ll keep an eye out, and I sort everything by new anyway.
Yeah we banned them on reddthat 2 days ago. I’m glad to see I’m not an outlier. Initially we should a 7 day ban should suffice. But then that user decided to message the admin directly and insult them.
Probably the fastest way to get your account banned.
Edit: The message in question. 👀 (Attempted spoiler open if you dare)
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!<I believe the spoiler tag is the following on Lemmy
::: spoiler spoiler label sh*t to hide :::spoiler label
sh*t to hide
you have all the qualities of a womanly woman
real “breasted boobily” energy
Probably because one of his alts was on dbzer0 and was banned for transphobia
Oh. Oh that makes so much more sense. His sad little idea of vengeance is to now attack anything piracy related and get dbzero ostracized from LW lol
Out of curiosity, just someone not supporting trans people or lgbtq are getting banned or they are taking asshole behaviour and spewing hate speech?
Edit: good fucking world. I am not against lgbtq. I am supporting it. I am a bi curious guy. I am all in for their civil rights. I was asking a question about why that guy was banned. For asshole behaviour or just having a different opinion. I don’t believe just for telling someone doesn’t care about lgbtq is not a reason for ban.
is “not supporting someone” your newspeak for being asshole? because i am pretty sure that any group of people doesn’t give a flying fuck about you or anyone else not “supporting them”, just let them be and they will be happy.
If not supporting means you feel that we don’t deserve civil rights then yeah they should be banned
Someone actively spewing hate speech in addition to repeated attempts to troll the communities they post to
Well, there’s a pretty wide spectrum in “not supporting”. Can range between “cool bro, not my thing but you do you just leave me out of it”, which is a rational albeit reserved response… or you could be like Bungiefan, who spams memes calling transgender people pedophiles (multiple times).
The guy posts anti-LGBT memes everywhere. He’s one of these losers that likes to use “cuck” in his comments. I’d ban on that alone. Hell, I’d ban anyone for being a Trump supporter or a tankie. Then again, that’s why I’m not a mod, never was, and shouldn’t be.
“Not supporting” can be silence too. No concern trolling necessary. Or welcome.
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To be fair, if you still play Destiny, you basically have to dupe yourself into thinking they aren’t as terrible as they are with their monetization practices. Otherwise you’d have to admit you have no self-respect.
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That would explain why he’s such a snob about piracy on his Reddit subs. For context on Reddit this person (pretty sure they’re the same person) banned me from a sub he moderates (I believe it was r/3dshacks) and he tried to get me banned from r/EmulationOnAndroid and also weirdly enough r/teenagers he failed at getting me banned from them by the way because those subs aren’t anti-piracy bungie stans like he is, simply put they don’t care.
But yeah he was a real loser, I think he got removed from most of the subs he moderated by Reddit though, and the participation in the protest has all but killed the remaining Sub. From Allmighty powermod to a pathetic whiny troll (though I guess he still was a whiny troll before, he just seemed more respectable from the outside).
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It’s been happening to a lot of powermods on Reddit so probably. I should note that as far as I’m aware this guy is the only one who decided to harass lemmy for it.
The troll doesn’t care, at all. It got banned clearly or it would be trolling here directly, it’s retaliation. Child psychology will tell you everything you’d need to know about that “user”.
Maybe we shouldn’t feed that troll ?
I think in that case a shadowban would be the best way to do it. Or an IP ban if that’s possible.
In any case this is giving him even more reason to keep on harassing people for attention.
An entire instance just fed the troll, pretty sure the cats out of the bag on this one…
that guy is the most succesfull troll in history. he single-handedly created havoc that big that russian trollfarm wouldn’t have to be ashamed for and you continue to give him audience. just ban him and move on.
That’s so funny, I’m just waiting when lemmy .world will defederate .ml and beehaw because of them.
Hexbear is one of the oldest lemmy instances, but only recently started federating.
Are you suggesting that for the last 3+ years, someone was running a troll farm where the trolls could only talk to each other?
not sure if you are serious, but no, that’s not what i am suggesting.
Oh, sorry then, I must have misunderstood.
Since federation, a lot of libs who’ve never encountered a leftist opinion have been calling us russian or chinese bots for not supporting the latest imperialist adventures.
Literally no one mentioned hexbear, or leftism in general, before you did. Quite a victim complex you got there.
don’t take me wrong, i am pretty sure i am not in the same boat with comrade who thinks that “not supporting the latest imperialist adventures” is some clever newspeak, but your comment was first time i have heard about “hexbear” - whatever that is.
clever newspeak
If that’s what you want to call it. I was just using the old-timey term to contextualize US actions in Ukraine/China/Iran/DPRK/Niger among the hundred other wars waged for the same purpose over the last couple centuries.
These are the alts, counts, scores, and ban status my instance is aware of:
name | domain | banned | posts | comments | post_score | comment_score --------------+------------------+--------+-------+----------+------------+--------------- Bungiefan_ak | lemmy.world | t | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 Bungiefan_ak | lemmy.dbzer0.com | t | 0 | 2 | 0 | -14 Bungiefan_ak | startrek.website | t | 0 | 0 | -35 | -4 Bungiefan_ak | reddthat.com | t | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 Bungiefan_ak | lemm.ee | t | 0 | 7 | 0 | -119 Bungiefan_ak | lemdro.id | f | 0 | 0 | 0 | -22 Bungiefan_ak | geddit.social | f | 0 | 0 | 0 | -30 Bungiefan_ak | sopuli.xyz | t | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 Bungiefan_ak | lemmy.ca | t | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 Bungiefan_ak | sh.itjust.works | t | 0 | 7 | 0 | -287Well that’s a record, not a single positive score in sight from any of the accounts
16 comments, 512 downvotes 🥲
Quite the sense of pride and accomplishment this Bungie fan must be feeling, huh
Trekkies don’t fuck around apparently.
We do not 😂
For context, Bungiefan_ak has no fewer than 4 alts that I’ve seen (all on different instances with the same username)
I mean, this is one of the benefits of the lemmyverse - using the same username across different instances. It’s not subversive.
That’s not to lend a defence of this guy - just didn’t want having Lemmy alts presented as a bad thing.
Having Lemmy alts is not a bad thing. Using them to circumvent bans very much is, tho.
At least he makes them super easy to find by reusing the identical name lol
I reported that mother fucker. Scum like him are easy to spot and clean up.
For context, Bungiefan_ak has no fewer than 4 alts that I’ve seen (all on different instances with the same username)
Spending that much money and time stanning for fucking Bungie of all decaying and bloated and corrupt treat companies is really something.
and has spent his time on [email protected] continuously spamming heavily transphobic, homophobic, and objectifying sexist “memes”.
OF FUCKING COURSE.
How do you people find these alts. I scroll by, like or don’t, but I have no idea if they are related.
Do you guys have a 7th sense or something?
He’s using the same username on different instances, not the sharpest tool in the shed.
That’s kinda a giveaway.
And yet you just yeeted all this attention to the troll, so congrats. You got played.
letsa fucking GOOOOOOOOOO-
I wasnt the one who chose to repost the screenshot, I just call trolls as I see them
Corporations when some dude steals a copy of a 30 year old movie: 😡
Corporations when they steal billions from their workers salaries every year: 🤑
Taking money for a 30-year-old movie is pretty much government-assisted stealing, if I’m honest. Copyright in the USA originally had a term of 14 years.
Here’s the thing: copyright term includes the life of the author plus a fixed period. So the works you and I nobodies produce will eventually become public domain after we die. HOWEVER, and this is just my underatanding of the laws and I’m definitely not a lawyer, not big name IPs because they are not registered under the human author, but a corporation that is both a person under the law and effectively immortal. So even if it’s two thousand years after George Lucas dies, Star Wars will still be copyrighted as long as Disney exists, and even if Disney dies, part of the process of corporate “death” is liquidation where they sell their IPs to the next asshole corporation.
Am I wrong? Please correct me if I am.
Afaik you are not correct. Copyrights for a corporation also have an expiration date.
Except – The expiration date can be extended by just continuing to use the IP – Ever wondered why movies get remakes/reimaginings every 30 years or so? We meme about them being “Out of ideas”, but really it’s so they can hold down their copyright.
Using an IP doesn’t extend the date at which it becomes public. Movies get remakes etc because they want to make more money. Some movie companies have deals around IP with the original IP owner that revert if they don’t use the IP, but that’s separate from when the IP goes public.
Sony for example have exclusive movie rights to the Spider-Man IP in perpetuity as long as they release a movie every 5.75 years at most, otherwise it reverts back to Marvel. That’s why they keep rebooting it and releasing sequels no matter how garbage they are - it’s better for them to release a trash movie that bombs than it is to lose the most valuable superhero IP in the world.
Except – The expiration date can be extended by just continuing to use the IP – Ever wondered why movies get remakes/reimaginings every 30 years or so? We meme about them being “Out of ideas”, but really it’s so they can hold down their copyright.
No, that’s just wrong. At one point, early Marvel contracts had clauses that allowed the movie producer to keep the contract going if they continued to put out movies. When Marvel got big (post-Iron Man), they had been trying to claw back those contracts. That’s why Fox kept putting out an X-Man movie every few years, and Sony kept putting out Spiderman.
But, that has nothing to do with copyrights, and all of the remakes are just shit that Hollywood does for memberberries.
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You’re wrong, which is why Disney keep lobbying to get the length of IP ownership extended - they don’t want all their IPs becoming public property.
IIRC corporate copyrights expire something like 95-100 years after creation. Copyright of works created by an individual is 70 years post death.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jul/03/mickey-mouse-disney-copyright-expiry
We also pay for their bailouts and subsidies. Piracy is ethical.
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See, this is the stuff I was talking about in my other comment. Too many arguments in favor of piracy are these little one off, no context one-liners that sound snappy/true, but lack nuance.
It’s not that you don’t have a point, but you need to actually tease this out a little more, and also addressed the fact that most people who are pirating are not doing it for that reason. There is always unwillingness by piracy advocates to acknowledge that some people do it just because they want free shit. It’s not a moral stance, it’s not a social movement, it’s not a financial necessity, they just don’t want to pay for it. 
I definitely don’t ever pirate. I would never use transmission or the pirate bay to acquire what I want. But if I did, which, of course I don’t, I would admit it’s because of a combination of 1) convenience, 2) the ability to deploy where I want it, more specifically 3) so I can put it on my server to stream on my network, and 4) because of fears of the programming being taken down, such as streaming services.
I would also be lying if I said I wouldn’t do it because I don’t want to spend money on it. That’s just me being honest.
My point being that whatever your reasoning, I just don’t like when people throw out bullshit excuses or examples that only apply to .001% of people engaging in piracy.
I agree about snippy one liners but I’m also not invested in this topic enough to go deeply into it. Maybe not until someone engages. I just browse lemmy, I share thoughts. I’m just here to hang out. If I want to learn then I read a book. I try not to take this site or myself on this site too seriously. I also like how you responded in somewhat long form. I like that a lot, and I’m hoping one day I can join tildes.net and participate in longer conversations.
That said, I don’t think it’s a bullshit response and I don’t think I need to elaborate on how subsidies work or how deregulation has siphoned money from the public and given it to private companies. For me, it doesn’t matter why an individual chooses to pirate or how they justify it. I see it as a form of protest and anyone participating in the protest for any reason is doing it for the right reason.
I think it’s interesting that people jump to the defence of copyright, or question the morality of piracy on the grounds of what damage it might cause to creators and publishers. Tax laws - old (austerity taxes), new (lowered corporate taxes), and proposed (100% inheritance tax) are much more significant than any effect piracy will ever have. This is what we should be debating and arguing about, not with piracy. It’s peanuts.
Does anybody have the greentext that goes something like
Pirate game
Company loses $60 because it’s theft
Company regains $60 after deleting game from hard drive
Pirate one million copies, company bankrupt from massive theft
Buy insolvent company for cheap
Delete all game copies, company profitable again
Embedded version:
I am human, and this action was performed automatically.good bot
Maybe one of the tightest written indictments of IP law. Companies “losing” money when no money changes hands makes me laugh.
I love that, it’s almost like how banks make money with loans: create money out of thin air, lend it, profit.
yall, this dude tired signing up to my instance a few nights ago. yall wanna see why many communities have registration approvals? see below. warning for nsfw language
NSFW language
Fuck I love the “ok” as deny reason…so simple, so beautiful.
👍
Unfortunately, the deny reason(s) aren’t sent to the applicant and aren’t visible to anyone except admins.
I wish they were visible to others or had an admin option to add it the modlog cause people write some funny shit in there 😭
Still laughing at the vast amount of people coming from reddit and expecting only chill people to be on lemmy. Like lemmy users are somehow immune to toxicity.
It’s less toxic overall but we (or mostly the moderators) will have to fight them all the time.
At least it will improve the moderation tools which is always a good thing.
When I realized it was that dude who tried signing up to my instance I lost my shit laughing, if he was screened prior it’s obvious he wouldn’t have gotten in. This is precisely what happens when you focus on growth over organically cultivating a healthy community.
I have no proof but I think lemmy.world will be monetized at some point.
If that is true in any way whatsoever, that is a completely moronic long term goal. Lemmy devs themselves have encouraged instances who do such a thing to defederate. I don’t see how realistically advertising or monetization would be done not only without immense privacy concerns that would likely affect the rest of the fediverse but without major protests and mass defederation. The backlash against it would be immense, not just on lemmy but across the fediverse itself.
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Those that even remotely consider scraping data on Mastodon consistently face intense harassment and criticism.
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The lemmy.world admins are pretty much disgruntled power tripping redditors. They aren’t thinking that far ahead. They’re definitely going to go for the dumbest move they can possibly pull off and count on their reddit users to argue in favour of it as a “reasonable, sensible choice after all”.
Lemmy is like every social medium since the dawn of time: a cross-section of humanity… the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Are we going to find Ollie North’s gold?
Yet people complain when you use one of the few tools available to you, namely defederation lol
Deny Reason: ok
lol
The hell.
I mean if dude wanted to troll he succeeded really well ngl
Registration approval should be on by default…
this world is not ready for two based gabes existing at the same time
What if we got a bunch of Josh’s to fight?
That is legitimately one of the most disgusting things I’ve read, what is wrong with this person, why would he write that as an application.
It came after I was arguing with weirdo antisemites in c/atheistmemes so I assume it was because of that but I have no idea and don’t really care to know that much
At least he was stopped at the registration level, it likely wouldn’t have been pretty if he was allowed to run wild there like he did on other places.
I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination and contemplating situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially by their actions. However, most of the arguments are pretty sound, and I can’t imagine working that hard making new accounts just to argue in favor of movie/record studios that have exploited artists for as long as they have existed.
The “filthy” line was just funny to me lol
I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions.
That’s not been my experience. I always see people advocating for paying for games/media when it comes from indie devs etc. And there is a difference between piracy and outright theft of artwork which is then profited from, I.e. a company steals small artists work and puts it on t-shirts - very few “pro-piracy” people, if any at all, are advocating for that.
At the end of the day, pirates do it because they either have very little money or they’re smart and want to retain the money they have. Then there are anti-copyright people, which is cool too.
Then there are the people who don’t really know what’s going on but claim some moral standing surrounding piracy. I can actually feel them coming, fuck…
 Well that has often been my experience, but I’m not going to pretend that my experience as everyone is.
For instance, I see a lot of really ridiculous arguments claiming it’s for archiving.” First of all, they do not follow archival procedures. Second, they are not working with any known archiving organizations. Thirdly, they are not using what they have. “archived” in any manner that could be considered “for the public good.“ Unless you want to count seeding it back out, but that argument can become pretty recursive pretty quickly. 
It also just so happens they are archiving mostly - if not entirely - the games they want to play, the shows they want to watch, and the movies they want to watch. It’s awfully curious how much the venn diagram of “archiving for the public good” and “what I want to enjoy” resembles a circle lol.
My point being, there are arguments in favor of piracy, most of which i agree with. But I see a lot of disingenuous ones from people who are clearly just doing it because they feel entitled to the media. I would rather they were just honest about their intentions instead of feeding me nonsense talking points that even they don’t believe. Otherwise it just reeks of justifying their actions (poorly) instead of just saying “I have nothing to justify.”
You have a point, but it’s kind of like people who resist all gun control due to the second amendment despite the shootings going on
Yeah, if life continues on as-is, the argument has little merit. On the other hand, in the case of the second amendment, we have fascists making a credible move for control.
In the case of archiving DRM content, if we have a cataclysm (which seems increasingly likely), then having drm-free, ideally unencrypted, content sitting on random hard drives might end up making an enormous difference in a lot of lives
Or even without a cataclysm, just general enshittification might end up destroying the gaming and media industries - passed around old games might be the seed for the next generation of tech-heads. I started my path by jailbreaking my PSP so I could use custom web browsers and homebrew - spreading these after the Internet is locked down by efforts like kosa and WEI (and whatever comes next) might be the spark that motivates the next generation
When it comes to art, there’s always somebody who doesn’t make it financially. Too few sold albums, too few downloads, too little merch sold. Some artists are always going to struggle and barely stay afloat making art, while the ones doing marinally worse are gonna quit and do something else.
The number of these people for whom piracy - or any other small loss of revenue for that matter - tips the scale doesn’t depend on how many people pirate stuff.
The actual difference piracy makes is the 0.2% (or whatever) dent in revenue which then means ~ 0.2% of potential artists end up working in other industries.
When deciding whether or not use someone’s art without their permission, it behooves one to consider the ethics. Whether you come to a different conclusion than I do is whatever, but not every case is exactly the same, and to dismiss the people on the other side of the equation with made-up numbers pulled from thin air is not the proper way to go about it.
They never think on the people they affect. They just want free things all the time claiming imaginary problems like the government and companies steal from them, like bro, that’s just how capitalism works if you don’t like it go to rusia, Venezuela and see how they’re doing
Found the loser in the screenshots alt lmaooo get a life my guy
Someone posted on another comment, the guy in the screenshot takes always the same name for his accounts. I just agree with him
My feelings are far more nuanced than this. Suffice to say I do not agree with you when you paint with such broad strokes.
Yes some people just want free shit, I think most people would acknowledge that. But when you get too boilerplate about piracy and don’t explore the topic, you’re no better than those who make up disingenuous reasons for why they never need to consider what they are pirating and who it may impact.
Still, one of the key aspects of piracy is discreteness and these debates and notoriety don’t help with that. Piracy does not look for you, you look for it, if you know how to find out how. The last thing I want is for every single Lemmy thread about netflix to have a top comment saying piracy is better than streaming.
piracy is better than streaming
You’re telling me, buddy :D and not just for the obvious reasons that bring us to this community, some stuff on hard disks is also better than the “cloud”.
Sounds a like a fucking corpo plant.
Lmao this is the guy that first lead to them banning the communities right?
Love that lemmy.world seems to be making their moderation strategy based off of a troll with at least 4 alts…
Props to him for fooling an entire instance
Honestly kinda legendary
Made them show their true face and flaws. Who knows, maybe the troll is even someone from their staff on an alt.
He didn’t fool anyone, he just seems to have caught them acting like hypocrites and made them either put up or shut up. If you want to enforce rules, you need to actually enforce the rules. If discussions of illegal things is against the rules that you made, then clearly an entire community built around illegal piracy is against the rules. Him pointing that out is a big-brain move that you would hope the admins would have gone “ah you got us. We’ll change that rule to not be so restrictive”, but instead they went “well shit, we’ll remove it instead of changing our stupid rules”.
Fooled you, you’re literally replying to the same person on an alt.
BungieFan->HaloMasyerChiefDidn’t fool me though because it doesn’t matter who wrote what I replied to.
Obvious troll is obvious
Gonna commit copyright infringement later, just to spite this poor man even more
I’m infringing copyright as I type this
Fair enough. I’m not home so I’m prevented from doing so
Look around wherever you are and see if there are any billboards visible. Study one and memorize it. Boom, copyright violation. It’s fun and easy and anyone can do it!
no if you look at a billboard you’re observing an ad. don’t do that.
Draw the advertisement on a napkin and show it to other people. Bam! That company is infringed af
Companies hate it when you disseminate their advertising material like that. Stick it to the man!
The trick is to explain every thing in the ad. Also, and they fucking hate this, tell them the history of the company the ad is for and where they sell that product! Lol reckedem! Let’s see them try to advertise around here again !
Gotta automate that shit.
Unrelated but nice pfp
Thanks, a kind anon drew it for me :)
What a fucking loser crying about intellectual property. Love live piracy and anarchy. Be gay do crime! 🏴 🏴☠️ 🏳️🌈 🏳️⚧️ yo ho ho 🦜
its actually amazing how internet culture went from this anarcho-utopianism where information just wants to be free, maaan to reddit style races to the normie bottom. who gives a shit about intellectual property other than bowtie spinning economist dickheads and the beltway lanyard class?
for real! I just noticed a show I wanted to watch Star Trek: Prodigy has been removed from Paramount+ for no fucking reason. The only reason I have that shit is because i’m a huge trekkie and I want them to make more and I think that Paramount+ is the only way they make any money for Trek and my roommate pays for it. Thank for for torrents. The show isn’t even watchable from any streaming service atm so I HAVE to pirate it. Normally I don’t for Star Trek simply because of how many episodes all the shows are combined but fuck it.
In fairness, I think it’s because the tech barrier of entry went down, WAYYY down. “Free Data” is an easy sell to people who were dialing into usenet in the 90’s, and us stupid ameteur hackers who would break into systems like they were puzzles because we thought it was cool and the maximum penalty was a fine and community service (the good old days, we all did it at least once and thought we were Zero Cool… unless we thought Zero Cool was lame, whatever). A lot of the people who think IP jives well with the internet were the ones who looked at me weird when I said I had online friends circa 2000, and who couldn’t understand how I couldn’t make some party because I “had to spend Saturday hanging out on IRC for my D&D campaign”
Even more technical folks now, they just never lived what made the internet beautiful when it was smaller. Back when “FOSS” was “Free as in Beer” and fuck that Richard Stallman with his “free as in speech” bullshit. They don’t remember how this dark storm of people’s hobbies turning into other people’s IP, people like Bill Gates stealing the foundations of technology to build his empire (for all the good he does now, he was truly evil to his core).
Ok, old-fart rant over.
for all the good he does now
None of what he does is good. The only thing he does is lie.
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Fair enough. I wasn’t trying to pass explicit judgement. His reputation is just a lot better now than it used to be, whether earned or not.
Back when “FOSS” was “Free as in Beer” and fuck that Richard Stallman with his “free as in speech” bullshit
FOSS has always been about “free as in speech”, and Stallman has said that it’s more ethical to illegally download closed-source software than to pay for it.
FOSS vs. proprietary is tangential to the discussion over filesharing, anyway, because it addresses different issues. FOSS isn’t good because it’s zero-cost, it’s good because it respects user freedoms.
It’s funny, I’ve never met anybody who’d have that kind of experience and use the word “hacker” in this meaning simultaneously.
A lot of the people who think IP jives well with the internet were the ones who looked at me weird when I said I had online friends circa 2000
This checks out.
Back when “FOSS” was “Free as in Beer” and fuck that Richard Stallman with his “free as in speech” bullshit.
I remember exactly the opposite, people being much more acutely aware of the difference, and Stallman being much more popular than now.
people like Bill Gates stealing the foundations of technology
Clarification? Movies about Steve Jobs excluded.
It’s funny, I’ve never met anybody who’d have that kind of experience and use the word “hacker” in this meaning simultaneously.
I’m slightly too young to use “hacker” the traditional old-MIT way. Maybe only by 2-3 years. I was a stupid kid playing with linux in the mid-90’s and I hacked into a stupid municipal dialup BBS and got root, then neither did nor changed anything because it was “cool” to prove I could figure it out. Then “Hackers” came out and I ran that movie on repeat for a few weeks and then moved on to actually learning to code.
I remember exactly the opposite, people being much more acutely aware of the difference, and Stallman being much more popular than now.
There’s those of us who were avoiding Redhat for shittier distros (like Slackware back then imo) because we didn’t want to buy anyone else’s beer for us to contribute for free. Maybe we were fewer than it seemed. I was that ugy giving out Ubuntu Warty CD’s having this weird pipe-dream of the tech world all going free-as-in-beer. Maybe again it relates to the exact date?
Clarification? Movies about Steve Jobs excluded.
Mr. Gates started back when “hacker” didn’t mean “hacker” (as you point out). He would pick up freely-given tech early on, and was then one of the first to start crying IP complaints and asserting his ownership of his product. Wherever you stand on the opinion, Gates’ Open Letter to Hobbyists started his really terrible reputation, since many hobbyests accurately alleged he built his business on tech they were using/granting for free. I never knew the facts of the 1977 BASIC case where he was sued over ownership of BASIC and won, but then in the 80’s he notoriously started his attitude of embrace, extend, extinguish. Everything from his behavior related to DOS, his ripping off Lotus Notes, etc. One could simply say “he was a good businessman” and they’re allowed to feel that way. If you say “hey, you can have as much of my water as you want for free” and I drain your lake so you have to buy water back from me, technically what I’m doing is legal. That’s basically what many people felt Gates did.
EDIT: And I don’t have good references, but I remember some quotes from him as his reputation got bad, that the hobbyists shouldn’t have been giving software out for free anyway. That the real problem was that they should have been demanding money for their work and/or keeping their ownership. One could argue his behavior was some of what spearheaded the carefully-crafted OSS licensing in the 80’s.
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Who then went on to tell everyone he was hated at school because he was too intellectually superior and listened to real music.
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Fuck intellectual property, all my friends hate the intellectual property
“Intellectual property” is a corpo term, and using it accepts their framing. They’re trying to conflate copyright, trademark, and patent law with property law.
I mean, that’s exactly what all three of those were intended to do – carry property law over into a domain where it clearly doesn’t make sense. so it’s fully
. none of them should exist.
It just looks like some Lemmy users are falling for an obvious troll.
Best part is when they start pretending to be stupid, after already having demonstrated they aren’t. Which then paradoxically proves that they are.
It’s such an obvious over the top troll too guys, come on
